YippieMove Email Transfer Service

aljungberg · 8 Apr 2009, 01:22 PM

Hey guys,

Just thought you would be interested to know about YippieMove, our online email transfer service. It's a server based service for migrating email between different providers, such as from Gmail to Zimbra for instance.

It's all online so there's nothing to download. Let me know if you guys have any comments or questions.

Cheers,
Alexander

FMRocks · 8 Apr 2009, 01:32 PM

Alexander,

Welcome to the forum. Please note that since you work for the service, you should contact the administrator to have a "Representative Of" field added to your user information.

With that, welcome again.

aljungberg · 8 Apr 2009, 09:13 PM

Ah, got it. Thanks for the heads up!

beq · 20 Apr 2009, 08:39 AM

Do you think it's possible to trick Yahoo's authentication to grant IMAP access to Yahoo Mail, Yahoo Mail Plus, and Yahoo Business Email accounts?

The Zimbra Desktop email client and some mobile clients are supposedly allowed Yahoo IMAP access based on special authentication (at least, I assume they're using standards-compliant IMAP communication).

aljungberg · 20 Apr 2009, 09:25 PM

I believe you're right that the Zimbra Desktop client uses IMAP to access Yahoo! accounts. There are also some indications that the iPhone uses the same when configured with a Yahoo! account.

From a technical point of view it should certainly be possible. I suppose the real question is whether Yahoo! would disapprove.

aljungberg · 25 May 2009, 05:21 AM

Well, your idea was a good one! We have added support for Yahoo! in YippieMove.

beq · 25 May 2009, 09:28 AM

That's good news. I also saw this on your WireLoad blog from April 28th:

YippieMove breaks Yahoo Mail’s lock-in

Sounds like you didn't have much of a problem working out the special authentication mechanism involved.

I wouldn't mind seeing more email clients and services add Yahoo IMAP access as well down the road (though your product certainly has its value). I wonder if this could be achieved via a Thunderbird or Outlook add-on?

The risk is that Yahoo could be more likely to notice and disapprove if everyone started to exploit IMAP access, leading to a tug-of-war between authentication changes and third-party adaptations.
Then again, this could motivate them to finally open up general IMAP access, who knows...

Edit: But if all free Yahoo Mail accounts can use IMAP, how would Yahoo justify continuing to restrict POP3 access in the U.S. to Mail Plus/Business Email accounts? It's bad enough that many international Yahoo Mail accounts already get POP3 for free...

aljungberg · 26 May 2009, 01:21 AM

Things had changed a little bit with the authentication but not much so we got it running fairly soon. It worked surprisingly well I have to say.

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Originally Posted by beq

I wouldn't mind seeing more email clients and services add Yahoo IMAP access as well down the road (though your product certainly has its value). I wonder if this could be achieved via a Thunderbird or Outlook add-on?

The risk is that Yahoo could be more likely to notice and disapprove if everyone started to exploit IMAP access, leading to a tug-of-war between authentication changes and third-party adaptations.
Then again, this could motivate them to finally open up general IMAP access, who knows...

Edit: But if all free Yahoo Mail accounts can use IMAP, how would Yahoo justify continuing to restrict POP3 access in the U.S. to Mail Plus/Business Email accounts? It's bad enough that many international Yahoo Mail accounts already get POP3 for free...

You're right about this. It would indeed be great but if it became commonplace in free software Yahoo would be likely to notice and decide they are losing out on ad revenue. I imagine they would either compensate by adding more in-email advertisement or they would block it by adding a cryptographic sign in that we wouldn't be allowed to work around due to the DMCA.

There are some products out there that actually go into Yahoo's web interface and extract the email and then present that email as an IMAP or a POP server would. That could be a solution for users wanting to view their email in Thunderbird or Outlook.

It's interesting to consider that compared to widespread use of webscrapers, IMAP access would be cheaper for Yahoo.

8 Apr 2009, 01:22 PM	#1
aljungberg Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 11 Representative of: YippieMove.com	YippieMove Email Transfer Service Hey guys, Just thought you would be interested to know about YippieMove, our online email transfer service. It's a server based service for migrating email between different providers, such as from Gmail to Zimbra for instance. It's all online so there's nothing to download. Let me know if you guys have any comments or questions. Cheers, Alexander

25 May 2009, 05:21 AM	#6
aljungberg Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 11 Representative of: YippieMove.com	Added Yahoo! Support Well, your idea was a good one! We have added support for Yahoo! in YippieMove.

25 May 2009, 09:28 AM	#7
beq Cornerstone of the Community Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 895	That's good news. I also saw this on your WireLoad blog from April 28th: YippieMove breaks Yahoo Mail’s lock-in Sounds like you didn't have much of a problem working out the special authentication mechanism involved. I wouldn't mind seeing more email clients and services add Yahoo IMAP access as well down the road (though your product certainly has its value). I wonder if this could be achieved via a Thunderbird or Outlook add-on? The risk is that Yahoo could be more likely to notice and disapprove if everyone started to exploit IMAP access, leading to a tug-of-war between authentication changes and third-party adaptations. Then again, this could motivate them to finally open up general IMAP access, who knows... Edit: But if all free Yahoo Mail accounts can use IMAP, how would Yahoo justify continuing to restrict POP3 access in the U.S. to Mail Plus/Business Email accounts? It's bad enough that many international Yahoo Mail accounts already get POP3 for free... Last edited by beq : 25 May 2009 at 09:40 AM.

8 Apr 2009, 01:32 PM	#2
FMRocks The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: FM does NOT refer to Fastmail (anymore). Posts: 4,034	Alexander, Welcome to the forum. Please note that since you work for the service, you should contact the administrator to have a "Representative Of" field added to your user information. With that, welcome again.

8 Apr 2009, 09:13 PM	#3
aljungberg Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 11 Representative of: YippieMove.com	Ah, got it. Thanks for the heads up!

20 Apr 2009, 08:39 AM	#4
beq Cornerstone of the Community Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 895	Do you think it's possible to trick Yahoo's authentication to grant IMAP access to Yahoo Mail, Yahoo Mail Plus, and Yahoo Business Email accounts? The Zimbra Desktop email client and some mobile clients are supposedly allowed Yahoo IMAP access based on special authentication (at least, I assume they're using standards-compliant IMAP communication).

20 Apr 2009, 09:25 PM	#5
aljungberg Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 11 Representative of: YippieMove.com	I believe you're right that the Zimbra Desktop client uses IMAP to access Yahoo! accounts. There are also some indications that the iPhone uses the same when configured with a Yahoo! account. From a technical point of view it should certainly be possible. I suppose the real question is whether Yahoo! would disapprove.