Mass mail sending

[juvefarmer]

We need help to send bulk mail.

We need this fast. We had set up a deal with a contact in Sri Lanka with our own server but now we cant get a hold of him.

Thanks in advance

[JamesHeld]

Originally Posted by juvefarmer

We need help to send bulk mail.

We need this fast. We had set up a deal with a contact in Sri Lanka with our own server but now we cant get a hold of him.

Thanks in advance

I found this emailing platform very helpfull and safe.
Maybe you should try it.

[ReuvenNY]

Originally Posted by juvefarmer

We need help to send bulk mail.

We need this fast. We had set up a deal with a contact in Sri Lanka with our own server but now we cant get a hold of him.

Thanks in advance

If you mean "bulk Mail" like is SPAM, you are in the wrong place...

[JamesHeld]

Originally Posted by ReuvenNY

If you mean "bulk Mail" like is SPAM, you are in the wrong place...

Of course, email marketing is not spamming.

[Jacinto]

Originally Posted by JamesHeld

Of course, email marketing is not spamming.

Are you being sarcastic?

If not, what is the difference when the recipient hasn't asked to receive the marketing message?

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Jacinto

[William9]

juvefarmer said bulk email. The implication of the post is that he wants to send unsolicited commercial email, which is illegal in the US and many other countries.

[Havokmon]

VFEmail supports Bulk mail senders, but you must comply with the CAN-SPAM Act.

I get complaints from AOL, they're the most liberal so it's easiest to weed out the actual Spammers. It's interesting when the 'Spam Complaint' is really someone's wedding.

Many people don't understand Spam is Unsolicited Commercial Email, not unwanted email. 'Bulk Mail' is nothing more than sending a lot of mail at once - the content is irrelevant to the definition.

[Jacinto]

Originally Posted by Havokmon

Many people don't understand Spam is Unsolicited Commercial Email, not unwanted email. 'Bulk Mail' is nothing more than sending a lot of mail at once - the content is irrelevant to the definition.

Are you sure?

Wikipedia's definition:

"Email spam, also known as unsolicited bulk Email (UBE), junk mail, or unsolicited commercial email (UCE), is the practice of sending unwanted email messages, frequently with commercial content, in large quantities to an indiscriminate set of recipients."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29

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Jacinto

[Havokmon]

Originally Posted by Jacinto

Are you sure?

Wikipedia's definition:

"Email spam, also known as unsolicited bulk Email (UBE), junk mail, or unsolicited commercial email (UCE), is the practice of sending unwanted email messages, frequently with commercial content, in large quantities to an indiscriminate set of recipients."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29

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Jacinto

I've never heard 'UBE' before. Did you just add that Just kidding

'Bulk Mail' is the name used by the USPS. Sure, some of it is marketing crap, but Magazines also fall under the definition.

I think, from the legitimate senders perspective, there really isn't a known term other than 'Bulk Mail'. Solicited Commercial Email? I suppose that's technically correct, but I've never heard that either. I doubt a marketing maven who just wants to reach their existing customers isn't going to know it by anything other than 'Bulk Mail'..

[Jacinto]

Originally Posted by Havokmon

I've never heard 'UBE' before. Did you just add that Just kidding

Is the matter of fact, I did, just to confound you.

Originally Posted by Havokmon

I think, from the legitimate senders perspective, there really isn't a known term other than 'Bulk Mail'.

Don't want to get into a discussion about semantics. Whatever you call it, I would consider as Spam any message, other than from a close friend or relative (and even those can be Spam sometimes), that is sent to me without my request or explicit authorization.

I appreciate and respect the fact that, as you have stated, so-called "Bulk Mail" services is part of you business offerings. However, for most of the rest of us, unsolicited E-Mail of any kind is Spam -- no matter what you call it.

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Jacinto

[JamesHeld]

Originally Posted by Jacinto

Are you being sarcastic?

If not, what is the difference when the recipient hasn't asked to receive the marketing message?

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Jacinto

I distinguish email marketing as a targeted and personalized messages to well known contacts.

[ReuvenNY]

Originally Posted by JamesHeld

I distinguish email marketing as a targeted and personalized messages to well known contacts.

...that opted in.

Just because you know them, well or not, if they do not want to receive your emails, yet you send them - you are spamming!

[ReuvenNY]

Originally Posted by Havokmon

I've never heard 'UBE' before. Did you just add that Just kidding

'Bulk Mail' is the name used by the USPS. Sure, some of it is marketing crap, but Magazines also fall under the definition.

I think, from the legitimate senders perspective, there really isn't a known term other than 'Bulk Mail'. Solicited Commercial Email? I suppose that's technically correct, but I've never heard that either. I doubt a marketing maven who just wants to reach their existing customers isn't going to know it by anything other than 'Bulk Mail'..

The "Bulk Mail" term used by the USPS, is "paid spam". The companies resorting to Bulk Mail usually buy mailing lists from specialized companies and use them to mail magazines, advertizements and other solicitations. But because they pay for it, people are more forgiving. Bulk email is free and therefore overused and as such more annoying.

Personally, in my book - any "Bulk Mail" by definition includes unsolicited emails and is SPAM!

[Havokmon]

Originally Posted by ReuvenNY

The "Bulk Mail" term used by the USPS, is "paid spam". The companies resorting to Bulk Mail usually buy mailing lists from specialized companies and use them to mail magazines, advertizements and other solicitations. But because they pay for it, people are more forgiving. Bulk email is free and therefore overused and as such more annoying.

Personally, in my book - any "Bulk Mail" by definition includes unsolicited emails and is SPAM!

The term "bulk mail" refers to larger quantities of mail prepared for mailing at reduced postage. In Business Mail 101, the term "bulk mail" means commercial First-Class Mail and advertising mail (called "Standard Mail" by the Postal Service). Commercial prices are available for other classes of mail, too. The Postal Service uses the terms "bulk" and "presorted" interchangeably.
http://pe.usps.com/businessmail101/g...d/bulkmail.htm

Magazines you've ordered, you consider Spam. Therefore mailing lists you are a member of, you consider Spam

This is why we need to correct generic terms. UCE is Spam. Bulk Mail is 'large amounts of email'. And actually, with many providers limiting the amount of mail an account can send - it's not free. Either the sender has to build their own system, or pay for a relay service.

The worst are users who sign up for crap, and then instead of unsubscribing, they report it as Spam. Unsubscribiing does not alert spammers to the address being real - that's hilarious. If Spammers cared if the address was real, they wouldn't forge the MAIL FROM, and would actually manage any bounces they received. Real Spammers just flood. If the MAIL FROM is real, it's just dumped into a dummy mailbox, which fills and then email gets rejected.
Those users muddy the waters, and cause legitimate services additional trouble. I actively tell senders to drop AOL users from their lists. Those users will report wedding invitations.

[Jacinto]

Originally Posted by ReuvenNY

...that opted in.

Just because you know them, well or not, if they do not want to receive your emails, yet you send them - you are spamming!

You beat me to it -- exactly what I was going to say.

It seems that JamesHeald and Havokmon are splitting hairs about the definition of Spam because they want to carve a subjective definition that fits their business model.

Although, they may not consider unsolicited messages that they send either for themselves or their customers Spam, objectively it is.

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Jacinto