Order Values for Filter Processing

carverrn · 15th April 2005, 03:52 AM

Here is a general guide for the order in which filters are processed:

-99 (Highest Priority)
-98
-97
:
:
-2 (Runbox-defined Block Sender Filter)
-1 (Runbox-defined Move Spam Filter)
0 (default Order value for filters if not specified)
:
:
X (1st physical entry of Order value X)
X (2nd physical entry of Order value X)
X (3rd physical entry of Order value X)
:
X (nth physical entry of Order value X)
:
:
997
998
999 (Lowest Priority)
1000 GMS Phone Notification
1001 Forward To Email *OR* Forward To GMS Phone (Notification not set) - doesn't appear to do both even if both selected
1002 Move To Inbox

The last three (1000-1002) are shown as if they are rules with these Order values because they seem to behave that way. I don't know if that's how they are really implemented. This is important to know because if you have a filter that moves a message to a folder, it will stop the filter processing for that message and it will never get to the GMS Phone Notification, the Forward To Email/GMSPhone or the Move To Inbox.

Editing an existing filter will not change it's "physical entry" position and therefore will not change it's priority in relation to other filters of the same Order value.

AldoRossi · 18th February 2009, 05:28 AM

My objective is to filter messages for normal filing into runbox folders. In addition, I'd like EVERY message to be forwarded to another e-mail address. I haven't been able to achieve that. I've succeeded only with messages that wind up in the inbox. Any ideas on how to do it?

carverrn · 18th February 2009, 07:41 AM

The second to last paragraph explains that:

"The last three (1000-1002) are shown as if they are rules with these Order values because they seem to behave that way. I don't know if that's how they are really implemented. This is important to know because if you have a filter that moves a message to a folder, it will stop the filter processing for that message and it will never get to the GMS Phone Notification, the Forward To Email/GMSPhone or the Move To Inbox."

If you want to forward these messages to another email address you will have to add your own filter to forward messages that comes ahead of your filters that move messages to folders.

Regards,
Rich

AldoRossi · 18th February 2009, 08:08 AM

Thank you Rich.

I did puzzle over how those behaviorally-detected priority numbers (1000-1002) would be used in accomplishing what I want. Although I couldn't see how they fit in, what I know is that if I implement a filter that forwards to an e-mail address with a priority higher than other filters that would send the same message to a folder, forwarding occurs without saving to any folder, including the Inbox! If I reverse the priority, then the folder gets it and the forwarded target doesn't receive the message. It is as if once a filter rule is applied for a particular message, processing for that message stops without further action.

From observation, I agree that forwarding from the GSM/forwarding window works as you say: for messages that wind up in the Inbox unfiltered, forwarding takes place. For filtered messages that wind up in some folder other than Inbox, forwarding is suppressed.

The upshot of those findings is that I haven't accomplished what I would like to: forward every incoming message AND then file the message away into some folder or else let it go, free of impinging filters, to the Inbox.

Much obliged to your attention.

carverrn · 18th February 2009, 11:54 AM

Please refer to the Runbox Help on filters and their actions: http://doc.runbox.com/twiki/bin/view.../Filter#Action

Runbox has two type of filter action that can be used for forwarding a message to another email address: (1) Forward and (2) Redirect.

There actions are as follows:

(1) Forwarded to sends a copy of the email to another email address while retaining the original email and allowing it to pass down to other filters and to the Access level.

(2) Redirected to sends the original email to another email address and does not allow it to pass down to the next filter or the Access level.

Are you using "Redirected to" instead of "Forwarded to"?

I know these filters work because have quite a few filter pairs that first forward a copy of the message to another email address and then store the message into a specific folder.

If you are having troubles getting the filters to work the way you would like, please submit a support ticket at https://support.runbox.com and we can take a look at your filters.

Regards,
Rich

AldoRossi · 18th February 2009, 12:21 PM

Good heavens! My apologies! It's all very clear in the wiki as it is in your message. I had been trying redirect I guess from a fragmentary fear then that a FW: might be prefixed to the subject line. Now I believe I'll be able to set up the filter structure that I would like to have. Thank you very much indeed.

carverrn · 18th February 2009, 02:05 PM

No problem at all.

Regards,
Rich

goky · 22nd January 2010, 03:43 PM

Just to be sure I get it:

If I set my own filter with an order of "-10" to delete all messages with a header containing "VIAGRA" that will eliminate the messages before "Detect junk mail" can save it to my "Spam1" folder.

Thus leaving my spam1 folder for "Luxury" "watches" and other words that might be in a legitimate message for me.

Correct?

kservik · 25th January 2010, 11:05 AM

Yes, that works fine.

15th April 2005, 03:52 AM	#1
carverrn Intergalactic Postmaster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 5,592 Representative of: Runbox.com	Order Values for Filter Processing Here is a general guide for the order in which filters are processed: -99 (Highest Priority) -98 -97 : : -2 (Runbox-defined Block Sender Filter) -1 (Runbox-defined Move Spam Filter) 0 (default Order value for filters if not specified) : : X (1st physical entry of Order value X) X (2nd physical entry of Order value X) X (3rd physical entry of Order value X) : X (nth physical entry of Order value X) : : 997 998 999 (Lowest Priority) 1000 GMS Phone Notification 1001 Forward To Email OR Forward To GMS Phone (Notification not set) - doesn't appear to do both even if both selected 1002 Move To Inbox The last three (1000-1002) are shown as if they are rules with these Order values because they seem to behave that way. I don't know if that's how they are really implemented. This is important to know because if you have a filter that moves a message to a folder, it will stop the filter processing for that message and it will never get to the GMS Phone Notification, the Forward To Email/GMSPhone or the Move To Inbox. Editing an existing filter will not change it's "physical entry" position and therefore will not change it's priority in relation to other filters of the same Order value.

18th February 2009, 05:28 AM	#2
AldoRossi Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12	Messages that wind up in the inbox are redirected; others not; what's up with that? My objective is to filter messages for normal filing into runbox folders. In addition, I'd like EVERY message to be forwarded to another e-mail address. I haven't been able to achieve that. I've succeeded only with messages that wind up in the inbox. Any ideas on how to do it?

22nd January 2010, 03:43 PM	#8
goky Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 26	for example Just to be sure I get it: If I set my own filter with an order of "-10" to delete all messages with a header containing "VIAGRA" that will eliminate the messages before "Detect junk mail" can save it to my "Spam1" folder. Thus leaving my spam1 folder for "Luxury" "watches" and other words that might be in a legitimate message for me. Correct?

18th February 2009, 07:41 AM	#3
carverrn Intergalactic Postmaster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 5,592 Representative of: Runbox.com	The second to last paragraph explains that: "The last three (1000-1002) are shown as if they are rules with these Order values because they seem to behave that way. I don't know if that's how they are really implemented. This is important to know because if you have a filter that moves a message to a folder, it will stop the filter processing for that message and it will never get to the GMS Phone Notification, the Forward To Email/GMSPhone or the Move To Inbox." If you want to forward these messages to another email address you will have to add your own filter to forward messages that comes ahead of your filters that move messages to folders. Regards, Rich

18th February 2009, 08:08 AM	#4
AldoRossi Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12	Thank you Rich. I did puzzle over how those behaviorally-detected priority numbers (1000-1002) would be used in accomplishing what I want. Although I couldn't see how they fit in, what I know is that if I implement a filter that forwards to an e-mail address with a priority higher than other filters that would send the same message to a folder, forwarding occurs without saving to any folder, including the Inbox! If I reverse the priority, then the folder gets it and the forwarded target doesn't receive the message. It is as if once a filter rule is applied for a particular message, processing for that message stops without further action. From observation, I agree that forwarding from the GSM/forwarding window works as you say: for messages that wind up in the Inbox unfiltered, forwarding takes place. For filtered messages that wind up in some folder other than Inbox, forwarding is suppressed. The upshot of those findings is that I haven't accomplished what I would like to: forward every incoming message AND then file the message away into some folder or else let it go, free of impinging filters, to the Inbox. Much obliged to your attention.

18th February 2009, 11:54 AM	#5
carverrn Intergalactic Postmaster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 5,592 Representative of: Runbox.com	Please refer to the Runbox Help on filters and their actions: http://doc.runbox.com/twiki/bin/view.../Filter#Action Runbox has two type of filter action that can be used for forwarding a message to another email address: (1) Forward and (2) Redirect. There actions are as follows: (1) Forwarded to sends a copy of the email to another email address while retaining the original email and allowing it to pass down to other filters and to the Access level. (2) Redirected to sends the original email to another email address and does not allow it to pass down to the next filter or the Access level. Are you using "Redirected to" instead of "Forwarded to"? I know these filters work because have quite a few filter pairs that first forward a copy of the message to another email address and then store the message into a specific folder. If you are having troubles getting the filters to work the way you would like, please submit a support ticket at https://support.runbox.com and we can take a look at your filters. Regards, Rich

18th February 2009, 12:21 PM	#6
AldoRossi Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12	Good heavens! My apologies! It's all very clear in the wiki as it is in your message. I had been trying redirect I guess from a fragmentary fear then that a FW: might be prefixed to the subject line. Now I believe I'll be able to set up the filter structure that I would like to have. Thank you very much indeed.

18th February 2009, 02:05 PM	#7
carverrn Intergalactic Postmaster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 5,592 Representative of: Runbox.com	No problem at all. Regards, Rich

25th January 2010, 11:05 AM	#9
kservik Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 177 Representative of: Runbox.com	Yes, that works fine.