New Hotmail Review - Page 2

guillaume · 9th July 2010, 07:27 PM

Yesyou can customize the from-line of the composer to add any other email address that you want to appear there. Also if you use a desktop client you can set up Hotmail in POP and configure an alternative SMTP email address.
Oh and BTW for each email sent, the webmail will not add any notes like "On the courtesy of Hotmail" like Gmail has been doing for years

kaptitsky · 9th July 2010, 10:01 PM

Just to be clear, Gmail does NOT add "from the courtesy of," rather it adds the authenticated address the mail is sent from. Some mail clients, most notably Outlook, then use that information to create the "on behalf of" line.

It can reasonably be argued that this is a Microsoft display issue, not a Gmail problem.

Still, Gmail has taken a reasonable approach and allowed you to send through authenticated SMTP from webmail, eliminating the "on behalf of" display and still enforcing reasonable anti-spam authentication procedures.

I'm looking forward to seeing the new Hotmail. But without regular logins, it's impossible to know when my cluster is updated, so it's not easy to get it for me.

kinetic · 9th July 2010, 11:32 PM

If you use a different email address to send mail from within gmail, then you must first verify it. This is what a responsible email provider should do. You can use the smtp server of your other email provider in which case your email will not contain any trace of having originated at gmail.

I use google apps and also a gmail account. My gmail account is forwarded to my google apps account. When I send an email from google apps via gmail smtp, it even saves the message in my gmail account in the correct thread.

By the way, hotmail does not allow ssl while using its smtp servers. Gmail does.

xmailer · 10th July 2010, 03:26 AM

Indeed, this reviewer doesn't seem to know very much about Gmail upon which to base a meaningful comparison between the two services. (In fact, I suspect a bit of an anti-Google bias -- which I share to some degree, although also having a bit of an anti-Microsoft bias might have the net effect of leaving me reasonably objective.

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But without much better spam handling than Hotmail has ever had, or still has, all the additional "gimmicks" Hotmail might add are completely "moot" IMO. Gmail still seems "light years" ahead of Hotmail in that regard. And based on the above, this might seem to apply to their respective handling of both incoming and outgoing messages.

Added:

Quote:

Originally Posted by kinetic

You can use the smtp server of your other email provider in which case your email will not contain any trace of having originated at gmail.

Actually, just to nit-pick a little, according to this recent post, technically it does leave a "small trace" of its having "originated at" Gmail:

Quote:

Originally Posted by nbarr

Message-ID: ... mail.gmail.com
Received: ... .google.com.

However, as this doesn't lead to the "on behalf of" business on the From line, nor does it reveal the sender's Gmail address or user name anywhere in the message/headers, that's clearly close enough to "no trace" for any and all practical purposes.

blevins · 2nd August 2010, 08:29 AM

I have a Hotmail Plus account and it works just fine with the Firefox browser. I've grown to actually like what Hotmail has become. Unlike Gmail, my user name doesn't have to have a bunch of numbers included in it.

syood · 27th August 2010, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blevins

I have a Hotmail Plus account and it works just fine with the Firefox browser. I've grown to actually like what Hotmail has become. .

I agree. I love the new Hotmail interface. Gmail is kludgy by comparison.

(edit) And that's a nice review, Guillaume.

9th July 2010, 07:27 PM	#16
guillaume Essential Contributor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Nantes, FRANCE Posts: 447	Yesyou can customize the from-line of the composer to add any other email address that you want to appear there. Also if you use a desktop client you can set up Hotmail in POP and configure an alternative SMTP email address. Oh and BTW for each email sent, the webmail will not add any notes like "On the courtesy of Hotmail" like Gmail has been doing for years

9th July 2010, 10:01 PM	#17
kaptitsky Master of the @ Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,606	Just to be clear, Gmail does NOT add "from the courtesy of," rather it adds the authenticated address the mail is sent from. Some mail clients, most notably Outlook, then use that information to create the "on behalf of" line. It can reasonably be argued that this is a Microsoft display issue, not a Gmail problem. Still, Gmail has taken a reasonable approach and allowed you to send through authenticated SMTP from webmail, eliminating the "on behalf of" display and still enforcing reasonable anti-spam authentication procedures. I'm looking forward to seeing the new Hotmail. But without regular logins, it's impossible to know when my cluster is updated, so it's not easy to get it for me.

9th July 2010, 11:32 PM	#18
kinetic Essential Contributor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: India Posts: 410	If you use a different email address to send mail from within gmail, then you must first verify it. This is what a responsible email provider should do. You can use the smtp server of your other email provider in which case your email will not contain any trace of having originated at gmail. I use google apps and also a gmail account. My gmail account is forwarded to my google apps account. When I send an email from google apps via gmail smtp, it even saves the message in my gmail account in the correct thread. By the way, hotmail does not allow ssl while using its smtp servers. Gmail does.

2nd August 2010, 08:29 AM	#20
blevins Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 85	I have a Hotmail Plus account and it works just fine with the Firefox browser. I've grown to actually like what Hotmail has become. Unlike Gmail, my user name doesn't have to have a bunch of numbers included in it.