New folders screen released

[robmueller]

Originally Posted by akorvemaker

Here's a little unfortunate bug. I clicked the "Trash" label next to a folder set to Has Empty: Trash - move to Trash". The screen that appeared said:

I found the problem, will roll out a patch shortly.

Rob

[robmueller]

Originally Posted by fmfan

Once that folder was deleted I selected 3 others on the page being viewed and then went to the next screen of folders to see if anymore were there I wanted to delete.
There were not.
So I clicked on 'Delete'.
I got a message in a pop-up window ~ 'No folders could be deleted as none selected'.

Are you sure that was the message you got? You should have got a popup saying:

Are you sure you want to PERMANENTLY deleted the selected folders and all messages?

After clicking "OK" that, you should have got another popup saying:

There are folders selected that are not visible on the current page. This delete action will also delete those folders. Are you absolutely sure you want to do this?

Are you sure you read the messages in the popups you saw correctly?

Rob

[feklee]

Auto-purge: This looks f***ing awesome - thanks for finally implementing this much needed functionality. :-)

[akorvemaker]

Originally Posted by robmueller

I found the problem, will roll out a patch shortly.

Rob

Thanks Rob. It's working perfectly now, as far as I can tell. Thanks for all the great work. I love the new features.

andy

[fmfan]

Originally Posted by robmueller

Are you sure that was the message you got? You should have got a popup saying:

Are you sure you want to PERMANENTLY deleted the selected folders and all messages?

After clicking "OK" that, you should have got another popup saying:

There are folders selected that are not visible on the current page.
This delete action will also delete those folders.
Are you absolutely sure you want to do this?

Are you sure you read the messages in the popups you saw correctly?

Rob

I apologize Rob. I just now created folders to delete in the manner yesterday. I should have repeated to test yesterday before posting.

I just now got as you posted here. There *is* the warning message *first*. With the popup sequence

Are you sure you want to PERMANENTLY delete the selected folders and all contained messages? OK | Cancel 

OK 

There are folders selected that are not visible on the current page. 
The delete action will also delete those folders. 
Are you absolutely sure you want to do this? OK | Cancel 

OK

--- Bill

[ewal]

Has anyone else noticed this?

On unhiding and then hiding my folders the unhidden state is retained when the hidden state was expected.

Specifically:

I unhide my folders to, say, have a look at a particular email in a hidden folder. I then, after doing whatever on that email, hide all folders and go back to an unhidden folder (e.g. Inbox). I then open an email there and then press Mailbox. The folders then are in an unhidden status, even though I had pressed hide as a last step.

The key here is that I navigated to a normally hidden folder and then back to a normally unhidden folder. This inconsistency does not occur if I stay in an unhidden folder and simply toggle the unhide/hide icon.

This inconsistency only occurs within a particular session, the default hidden view is regenerated in a new session.

Not a biggie, just an observation. I suspect it has something to do with cookie control or something.

Ed

[Prognathous]

Originally Posted by drchadwick

As for the edit screen itself, what's the logic in defaulting to view 20 folder? Why not list all of user's folders (or at least the first 100) by default and save us from having to click "100" or whatever every single time to see them?

I was wondering the same thing...

Prog.

[fmfan]

Originally Posted by drchadwick

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As for the edit screen itself, what's the logic in defaulting to view 20 folder? Why not list all of user's folders (or at least the first 100) by default and save us from having to click "100" or whatever every single time to see them?

OR: What about a user selectable (per account) folder default for the number of items per folder view?


Again, as far as changing the whatever default or set viewed items per folder I really preferred the drop-down, pop-up interface with preset variety of items per view selectable there for changing each folder setting for this.

Maybe it has been explained why that was eliminated, changed.

--- Bill

[eggman]

OR: What about a user selectable (per account) folder default for the number of items per folder view?

Or even allow users to store the default number of items for every list on every page. I would be happy with 100 per page everywhere...

[andrew82net]

First, new features look good.

I'm not clear on how the SPAM training works. If I set my Junk Mail folder as a SPAM learning folder, would that have any negative consequence? Would the system distinguish in any way between SPAM that was automatically added to the folder per my SPAM rules and SPAM added by me manually? Does "new messages" mean "unread messages" or messages detected in the folder since it was last scanned by the spam learning system?

Would there be any reason to get in the habit of looking through my existing Junk Mail folder and moving correctly identified SPAM to a SPAM leaning folder?

What about a way to tell the SPAM learning system to scan particular folders and learn all the messages (read or unread) in a particular folder. For example, I have a lot of folders that contain tons of non-spam messages. That would seem like an efficient way to learn what's not spam--simply scan all my non-spam e-mails collected over the past five years.

--Andrew

[n5bb]

Originally Posted by andrew82net

What about a way to tell the SPAM learning system to scan particular folders and learn all the messages (read or unread) in a particular folder. For example, I have a lot of folders that contain tons of non-spam messages. That would seem like an efficient way to learn what's not spam--simply scan all my non-spam e-mails collected over the past five years.

Andrew, there is another thread discussing the new per-user Bayes feature, so I won't go into details in this thread. Yes, you can set up spam and non-spam learning folders in the new Folders screen. That's the whole idea -- mail in your Junk Mail folder (and other folders you declare as spam-containing folders) gets autolearned as spam once a day, and mail in the folders you declare as non-spam-containing folders gets autolearned as ham (not spam) once a day. Check out the Advanced Options on the Folder screen.

You can also use the Action tool to mark any set of messages as spam or ham.

Bill

[JRobert]

Echoing the kudos - this is great, Rob!

How about a new sub-folder or the Advanced attributes edit form inheriting the parent folder's attributes as initial defaults? It's a fairly sensible choice, in that 1) the user has already specified attributes s/he likes, and 2) sub-folders are often going to be related in purpose to the parent.

For instance, I just created a folder for an upcoming trip and set up its attributes the way I wanted them, especially the default personality and folder for sent mail. Then I created a sub-folder for each city. It would have been really handy to have those sub-folders pick up the settings from the Trip folder. Most importantly, I'd be more confident I'd set my travel personality for each of them and wasn't about to expose my private e-mail address.

-jeff-

[rabarberski]

Originally Posted by akorvemaker

Select the check box beside the folder, then click the Delete button on the top right of the "Edit existing folders" section (just above the list of folders).

Originally Posted by fmfan

Ohhh --- *way* over there to the right above the 'Custom Folder Properties'.

Had the same experience as you, Bill: i had to search for the delete button.
Indeed, there is really no reason I can think of (*) for the Delete button to be hidden away all the way to the right. Why not put it between "Edit" and "Move", which is where people will first look for it (i think)?


*well, there is (i went searching for it): I've just discovered that the basic message screen has a delete button to the right as well. But I think it is more important that people find the delete button, than being consistent with this screen...

[robmueller]

ewal: I can't reproduce the problem you're seeing. Can you email me at robm@fastmail.fm with your account name and the EXACT steps you go through to produce the problem and I'll try it out. Thanks

jrobert: Inheriting is a bit tricky. Basically the create folder section has all the properties you can set there, even if they're not visible by default. So you have two options.
1) Use some javascript so when you choose the folder you want to create the new folder as a sub-folder of, it changes the properties in real time in that area
2) When the advanced properties section is hidden, that information gets submitted back, and you inherit the properties of the parent by default
Both are a bit icky

rabarberski: I specifically moved it to avoid any chance of an accident. Maybe it's a bit lonely over there on the right...

Rob

[zhak]

Originally Posted by rabarberski

Had the same experience as you, Bill: i had to search for the delete button. Indeed, there is really no reason I can think of (*) for the Delete button to be hidden away all the way to the right. Why not put it between "Edit" and "Move", which is where people will first look for it (i think)?

Originally Posted by robmueller

rabarberski: I specifically moved it to avoid any chance of an accident. Maybe it's a bit lonely over there on the right...

Well, the initial location of 'delete' was by 'edit' and 'move', and I thought that was a little dangerous. At the top left column of the 'edit existing folders' table, is a checkbox to select ALL FOLDERS. Right above that was the DELETE BUTTON.

My comment from the first thread in the series, 'Need help evolving Folders screen':

Originally Posted by zhak

I'd be concerned for some people having the checkbox to select all folders next to 'delete'. Even with a confirmation popup, that could lead to disaster for someone in a hurry. There are various levels of protection, including:

- must empty a folder before it can be deleted
- able to only delete one folder at a time
- able to delete multiple folders but only if they are empty
- able to delete your entire mailstore with one click

I'm not sure of what would be best, but the last one scares me a bit.

Maybe having to look for the delete button in this context is a good thing.

-Jim