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6 Feb 2022, 01:10 AM | #31 |
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An update since a few posters were interested in what I could find.
Services Tuffmail: Shutdown this year, melded into Fastmail. Runbox: Their frontend is actually open source! But I don't like their current versions (Runbox 6 and 7). Though this means if there's a change, I could just host the older version as long as the backend stays. I don't see a Runbox 5 though so I'm unsure of their backwards compatibility. Purelymail: Good UI. But still in beta so possibly too dangerous for my main e-mail. Run by a single person, has a issue tracker https://issues.purelymail.com/Scott/Purelymail/issues . For mail (not config), runs a skinned Roundcube. Tried setting up a custom domain but am not receiving email despite the MX entry validation by Purelymail. mailbox.org: Limited number of aliases (why?) and I haven't looked further. Rollernet: Seems to be a hosting service that happens to have webmail (with Roundcube)? They don't really explain themselves in their doc. You have all these pieces and its missing an example or two of stuff you can make with them. Clients If I'm using Roundcube, I might as well host my own copy. Then I can theme it can will be able to move hosts more easily. There are a few skin (that are significatly different) to choose from, even some paid https://roundcubeskins.net/. Roundcube doesn't support JMAP though, only IMAP https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/issues/5918 Mailpile: I like this UI better than most of the Roundcube skins but I haven't tried using it more yet. The demo JMAP client https://github.com/jmapio/jmap-demo-webmail: Almost good enough. But need compose/reply (quoting and encoding may be a pain to add). Also JMAP can change without notice! So being a standard isn't a guaranttee. Not only can the spec change on a whim, they aren't even updated. https://github.com/jmapio/jmap/issues/323 Options forward So overall, there hasn't been a clear winner yet. And I haven't even gotten to the part where I try to migrate most of my stuff! 1. Customize and self-host an IMAP client: Roundcube/Mailpile/etc. Use it with any IMAP mailhost that offers custom domains. 2. Move back to GMail. 3. Make a custom JMAP client. But this is only usable with Fastmail and needs to be kept up to date with a not updated moving target. 4. Self host everything mailserver and client but use a paid SMTP service for outgoing mail. |
6 Feb 2022, 01:33 AM | #32 |
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The UI aren't that bad. You can get Stylus and make UI changes. There is a UI thread that everyone helped each other setting up their UI tastes. As a new user, I'm more concerned about service reliability. Remember they were DDos attacked last year and it wasn't that bad for United states customers since it was at night for us. But its still alarming.
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7 Feb 2022, 02:37 AM | #33 |
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Quick note: Fastmail now runs on JMAP, but they fully support IMAP.
Any IMAP client will work. I've recently used Thunderbird and AquaMail. I've used many others in the past. FM's support for standards is one of the main reasons I moved to them 20 years ago. |
7 Feb 2022, 05:37 AM | #34 | |
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8 Feb 2022, 01:16 AM | #35 |
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Actually Fastmail doen't run on IMAP nor on JMAP: these are just two protocols that may be used by email clients to access their mail server, that hold the mail stores of users. They always allowed and promoted IMAP access. They developed JMAP to get better results in certain environments (such as when accessing mail from a mobile phone or from across the world).
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8 Feb 2022, 03:42 AM | #36 |
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11 Feb 2022, 12:03 AM | #37 |
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For anyone considering Runbox; don't. They have been developing a new solution for years now, and it looks like they'll never get finished. Just look at the complaints in their forum. I was a subscriber until a few years ago, when I saw the writing on the wall. While Fastmail isn't perfect, no email service is. I looked at a LOT of others during the Aussie spy law spectacle, but all others were too expensive and/or lacked features. Really, I don't know of any email service that can beat Fastmail's features and prices.
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11 Feb 2022, 06:08 AM | #38 | |
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Another reasonably priced alternative with a great set of features is Zoho. Trouble with Zoho is that they're fairly insistent on making Australians use their Australian data centre - which of course takes us right back to the 'spy law spectacle' that motivated me to look for alternatives to Fastmail. You can get around that initially by using a VPN when creating a Zoho account, but as soon as you try to pay for an account (to get access to IMAP, for example) you have to provide an address, phone number, etc (and you can't pay in AUD unless you're on the Australian data centre). Can't win. |
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13 Feb 2022, 10:10 AM | #39 |
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Why move away from Fastmail? As for the UI "incosistencies"- you can stick with an email client (that fetches offline) Why spend time and energy on an alternative when the primary service works just fine?
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13 Feb 2022, 12:44 PM | #40 |
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I agree. I use Apple Mail as a client and don't think I've looked at the Fastmail web version more than once a year or so. Haven't even had reason to look at the new "controversial" one
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13 Feb 2022, 05:59 PM | #41 |
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It looks ok, a few things need changing but they wont.
So we slowly get use to it or use something like Thunderbird, but at least with Thunderbird you can save your mail to your PC quite easily. |
13 Feb 2022, 06:16 PM | #42 | |
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I don't have any issues at all with the Fastmail UI. Along with other features (aliases, domains, etc) I think Fastmail is fantastic. Also prefer webmail rather than client. |
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13 Feb 2022, 08:03 PM | #43 | |
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