How Runbox is becoming less valuable - Page 2

carverrn · 8 Dec 2005, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by frrick
"My point is that it doesn't matter how many spam emails have Runbox.com in them "

Of course it matters, when they clog your mailbox every day .

As long as the user has the option of blocking any domain they'd like then your concern is addressed. Such a feature is typically referred to as a Blacklist or Blocklist (which Runbox supports).

I don't think a service should decide which domains a user is or isn't allowed to receive from. At least I wouldn't want my email service deciding who I can or can't receive messages from.
Regards,
Rich

frrick · 8 Dec 2005, 10:52 PM

Odd...I use runbox and you suggest that I block all mail that arrives that has a runbox address, legitimate or not. Very odd.

Geir · 8 Dec 2005, 11:25 PM

frrick,

Nobody is suggesting that you, or anyone else, should block all email from the Runbox domain. However, the user having the option to block a domain is better than a service making such a decision for the users.

Spam is often virus-generated using various email services' domains in the from-address of the messages. Runbox is just one of many, many email services affected.

Personally I've never received a spam message "from" a Runbox address in a Yahoo or Hotmail account. On the other hand, a quick check in my Runbox Spam folder shows twice as many spam messages "from" Hotmail addresses as Runbox addresses.

- Geir

frrick · 9 Dec 2005, 01:15 AM

"However, the user having the option to block a domain is better than a service making such a decision for the users."

I am sure you would agree that it would be "better" if I did not received so much spam with runbox addresses, fake or otherwise.

Rizlam · 9 Dec 2005, 01:48 AM

I hate to drag this thread back on topic, but anybody able to explain the lag issue, or maybe even issue 4? (which is specific to me)?

Stephen

carverrn · 9 Dec 2005, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by frrick
I am sure you would agree that it would be "better" if I did not received so much spam with runbox addresses, fake or otherwise.

How do you suggest this be done?

Regards,
Rich

carverrn · 9 Dec 2005, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rizlam
I hate to drag this thread back on topic, but anybody able to explain the lag issue, or maybe even issue 4? (which is specific to me)?

Stephen

Hi Stephen,

1. Lag on emails.

Geir posted this earlier:

"Points 1, 3, and 5 are being addressed and we expect them to be resolved with the new servers we are installing."

4. (very specific to me) The webmail interface - both www.runbox.com and mobile.runbox.com - no longer work with the Opera browser used on Symbian devices.

Have you contacted Opera about this? If so, what did they say? FYI, Runbox and Opera use to be in the same building in Oslo.

Regards,
Rich

William9 · 9 Dec 2005, 03:26 PM

Runbox web interface running noticably faster tonight. Almost snappy.

541 · 10 Dec 2005, 10:51 AM

You can't blame Runbox for spam using their domain. Email providers can only do so much to prevent their name being used as a spam address. I've been spammed by my own domain, and I know I didn't send it!

Zedd · 10 Dec 2005, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by frrick
"We also inform them that Runbox is not a source of spam and that we enforce very strict anti-spam policies."

This may be true; however, runbox addresses are being used to send tons of spam; most of the spam I receive, and its excessive, comes from so-called runbox "addresses".

I can see how others then would block runbox addresses.
This is unfortunate. However, I have never used a e-mail service that gave me so much spam from its own service addresses. (Again, I'm not saying these are legitimate runbox addresses; but it is a major problem that I have not seen addressed.)

I don't have this problem at all, then again i use the Runbox domain addresses very little. Whis is also the reason why I do not get any spam "from" Runbox.

Spammer always FAKE the originating domain, and they very often fake this to your own domain. Trying to make the mail appear as if it is from your sysadmin or similar.
That is why you get spam from runbox addresses not because they are being sent from runbox addresses.

frrick · 11 Dec 2005, 01:16 AM

."Again : I repeat: I NEVER said the spam was coming from legitimate runbox addresses. This is what I said:

"Again, I'm not saying these are legitimate runbox addresses; but it is a major problem that I have not seen addressed."

The only point I was making, as I said, is that it is unfortunate. I never used a e-mail service that gave me so much spam with spammers using its own domain.

I KNOW these are not from runbox addresses.

And what I said was that I can understand others' reaction. For example, if I were using Yahoo Mail, and I received 35 spam each day from a runbox account, legitimate or not, I would just block the runbox domain. In fact, I have done this in the past.

carverrn · 11 Dec 2005, 07:38 AM

frrick,

Your posts make it sound like you think it's Runbox's fault that spammers are using the Runbox domain and that you think there is something Runbox can do about it.

Is that what you meant?

If not then we just misunderstood what you were trying to say.

Regards,
Rich

frrick · 11 Dec 2005, 07:42 AM

No, that's not what I meant to say. Just forget it.

carverrn · 11 Dec 2005, 11:15 AM

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Regards,
Rich

deltajets · 22 Dec 2005, 08:02 AM

1/I run several small business emails through the runbox system and hardly receive any spam, despite having websites with emails ready for spam robots to pick off.

Sure a few people I know don't receive a few emails i.e some hotmail addresses, but there is usually an alternative and I accept that its not runboxs fault that the idiots who are configuring these other servers are choosing the easy option in blocking everything. hey you get what you pay for and hotmail etc are FREE, the people who have hotmail and others are suffering too since they don't receive their email.

2/Lag, what lag, i regularly foward information emails to the appropriate business of mine and it all arrives well within 30 seconds.

Remember runbox doesn't control the web the same as the royal mail doesn't control the world postal system.

3/I think the main problem is that some people are angry and frustrated with spammers and the crap that they cause cause and want a miracle cure.

Spammers are the ones who jam everybodies email with crap, clog the fibers with crap and cause email blocking.

Stoning to death ought to be compulsory due to the sheer amount of time wasted by them.

8 Dec 2005, 10:52 PM	#17
frrick Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 61	Odd Odd...I use runbox and you suggest that I block all mail that arrives that has a runbox address, legitimate or not. Very odd.

8 Dec 2005, 11:25 PM	#18
Geir The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,938 Representative of: Runbox.com	frrick, Nobody is suggesting that you, or anyone else, should block all email from the Runbox domain. However, the user having the option to block a domain is better than a service making such a decision for the users. Spam is often virus-generated using various email services' domains in the from-address of the messages. Runbox is just one of many, many email services affected. Personally I've never received a spam message "from" a Runbox address in a Yahoo or Hotmail account. On the other hand, a quick check in my Runbox Spam folder shows twice as many spam messages "from" Hotmail addresses as Runbox addresses. - Geir

9 Dec 2005, 01:15 AM	#19
frrick Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 61	"However, the user having the option to block a domain is better than a service making such a decision for the users." I am sure you would agree that it would be "better" if I did not received so much spam with runbox addresses, fake or otherwise.

9 Dec 2005, 01:48 AM	#20
Rizlam Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 48	I hate to drag this thread back on topic, but anybody able to explain the lag issue, or maybe even issue 4? (which is specific to me)? Stephen

9 Dec 2005, 03:26 PM	#23
William9 The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 2,281	Runbox web interface running noticably faster tonight. Almost snappy.

10 Dec 2005, 10:51 AM	#24
541 Essential Contributor Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 277	You can't blame Runbox for spam using their domain. Email providers can only do so much to prevent their name being used as a spam address. I've been spammed by my own domain, and I know I didn't send it!

11 Dec 2005, 01:16 AM	#26
frrick Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 61	."Again : I repeat: I NEVER said the spam was coming from legitimate runbox addresses. This is what I said: "Again, I'm not saying these are legitimate runbox addresses; but it is a major problem that I have not seen addressed." The only point I was making, as I said, is that it is unfortunate. I never used a e-mail service that gave me so much spam with spammers using its own domain. I KNOW these are not from runbox addresses. And what I said was that I can understand others' reaction. For example, if I were using Yahoo Mail, and I received 35 spam each day from a runbox account, legitimate or not, I would just block the runbox domain. In fact, I have done this in the past.

11 Dec 2005, 07:38 AM	#27
carverrn Intergalactic Postmaster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 5,606 Representative of: Runbox.com	frrick, Your posts make it sound like you think it's Runbox's fault that spammers are using the Runbox domain and that you think there is something Runbox can do about it. Is that what you meant? If not then we just misunderstood what you were trying to say. Regards, Rich

11 Dec 2005, 07:42 AM	#28
frrick Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 61	No, that's not what I meant to say. Just forget it.

11 Dec 2005, 11:15 AM	#29
carverrn Intergalactic Postmaster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 5,606 Representative of: Runbox.com	Sorry for the misunderstanding. Regards, Rich

22 Dec 2005, 08:02 AM	#30
deltajets Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6	1/I run several small business emails through the runbox system and hardly receive any spam, despite having websites with emails ready for spam robots to pick off. Sure a few people I know don't receive a few emails i.e some hotmail addresses, but there is usually an alternative and I accept that its not runboxs fault that the idiots who are configuring these other servers are choosing the easy option in blocking everything. hey you get what you pay for and hotmail etc are FREE, the people who have hotmail and others are suffering too since they don't receive their email. 2/Lag, what lag, i regularly foward information emails to the appropriate business of mine and it all arrives well within 30 seconds. Remember runbox doesn't control the web the same as the royal mail doesn't control the world postal system. 3/I think the main problem is that some people are angry and frustrated with spammers and the crap that they cause cause and want a miracle cure. Spammers are the ones who jam everybodies email with crap, clog the fibers with crap and cause email blocking. Stoning to death ought to be compulsory due to the sheer amount of time wasted by them.