Caveat emptor

paulus · 3 Jun 2010, 12:52 PM

I am member for last 10 years with FastMail. No one's fault but my own I decide to add more space so I paid $19 and changes and decided to purchase more space then there was sign said even storage will need to be paid annually otherwise will fall back to 'AD' based free-level.

I guess better start use my gmail as primary instead as storage mail, or even yahoo or hotmail. Since I have no plan to pay every year for email I'll just let it died next June and switch to one of G, H, Y email.

I guess Fastmail will be longest used ( over 10 years ) email.

Just wanted to share my thoughts.

NickRem · 13 Jun 2010, 08:10 AM

Not sure I understand. You don't want to pay a yearly fee for your mail service? Didn't you do that before with FM?

Prognathous · 14 Jun 2010, 02:40 AM

He paid one-time fees. Unfortunately, this turned out to be a business model that doesn't work very well in the long run, which is why Opera (and previously Fastmail.fm) has moved away from it.

Personally, I don't mind paying annually if I get my money's worth, but I can understand why so many people aren't willing to pay. They just don't see the value over free services. This is probably where Opera has the biggest challenge - showing the market that its mail service offers features worth paying for that aren't available in free services.

Prog.

William9 · 14 Jun 2010, 03:04 AM

That's the way I see it too. One "feature" that customers seem willing to pay for is mail service for their own domains. Some see having a personal custom domain as an affectation, but many see the value. Certainly for professionals and business, free email services with free domains like Yahoo or Hotmail do not convey the desired online image. At least for businesses a custom domain is expected. Previously, the full-featured email service providers for your own domain required a fee. Now there is Google Apps (free and full-featured for your own domain).

Terry · 19 Jun 2010, 10:27 AM

just forward a copy of every e-mail to gmail.....its free, use gmail for your storage with fastmail benefits.....

Prognathous · 19 Jun 2010, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry

just forward a copy of every e-mail to gmail.....its free, use gmail for your storage with fastmail benefits.....

If you want to move your mail to Gmail, use a mail client instead of forwarding. Just configure both your Fastmail and your Gmail accounts and use drag&drop to move the mail between them. This way, the original To and From fields of the mail will stay intact.

Prog.

janusz · 19 Jun 2010, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prognathous

If you want to move your mail to Gmail, use a mail client instead of forwarding. [...] This way, the original To and From fields of the mail will stay intact.

Alternatively, use automatic forwarding in Options,Define Rules ('Message with' set to 'Always'). This trick also preserves original headers and saves a lot of dragging & dropping

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hankfoner · 23 Jun 2010, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prognathous

If you want to move your mail to Gmail, use a mail client instead of forwarding. Just configure both your Fastmail and your Gmail accounts and use drag&drop to move the mail between them. This way, the original To and From fields of the mail will stay intact.

Prog.

Prog,

How exactly would you do this? I'd like to transfer a lot of my old e-mails to Gmail for storage and make room in my "full" account. New stuff I could forward as suggested.

Thanks,
Hank

Prognathous · 23 Jun 2010, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hankfoner

How exactly would you do this? I'd like to transfer a lot of my old e-mails to Gmail for storage and make room in my "full" account. New stuff I could forward as suggested.

You need to define both email accounts in an email client application following the instructions in Gmail and Fastmail. Once both services appear in the folder tree, just expand it so that the target folder is visible, then switch to the current email folder (Fastmail inbox) and select the emails you'd like to transfer. Drag them to the target folder (e.g. Gmail inbox) and hold the Shift key if you're using Windows and wish to move the emails rather than copy them.

Prog.

hankfoner · 23 Jun 2010, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prognathous

You need to define both email accounts in an email client application following the instructions in Gmail and Fastmail.

Prog.

Thanks Prog. But this is the bit I don't understand. Sorry to be dense. Could you expand a bit more, please.
Hank

David · 23 Jun 2010, 07:06 AM

Prog is suggesting that you set up two IMAP accounts (in your email client software) - one for Fastmail the other for Gmail. On completion you can 'select' and 'copy' all message (in a folder) and paste them to a folder in the Gmail account.

PS: Prog says you can drag and drop them (which will work too and is likely easier easier than copying and pasting them)

hankfoner · 23 Jun 2010, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Prog is suggesting that you set up two IMAP accounts (in your email client software) - one for Fastmail the other for Gmail. On completion you can 'select' and 'copy' all message (in a folder) and paste them to a folder in the Gmail account.

PS: Prog says you can drag and drop them (which will work too and is likely easier easier than copying and pasting them)

AhHa! Got it - I think. many thanks to you both.

Any advice on what email client to use. I have Eudora and Outlook Express from the old days before I went entirely to a web interface. Maybe Thunderbird would be better?
Hank

Prognathous · 23 Jun 2010, 09:46 PM

The last time I went through this process I used Outlook Express. It worked fine. However, if I had to do it today I would be trying Thunderbird, as it's undoubtedly a much more up to date and modern mail client.

Prog.

David · 23 Jun 2010, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hankfoner

AhHa! Got it - I think. many thanks to you both.

Any advice on what email client to use. I have Eudora and Outlook Express from the old days before I went entirely to a web interface. Maybe Thunderbird would be better?
Hank

I know that Thunderbird will work for this but would suggest that you test first, using whatever is your favourite client.

ChinaLamb · 30 Jun 2010, 11:02 AM

Email is such an essential service, I don't know why people are unwilling to pay for it. Free services only offer free because they get something from you in return.

I wouldn't send my postal letters for free just so that the us post office could open read and store every message I ever sent, just so that they could target me and other people with advertising... Sorry, my life requires a bit more privacy than that.

3 Jun 2010, 12:52 PM	#1
paulus Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1	Caveat emptor I am member for last 10 years with FastMail. No one's fault but my own I decide to add more space so I paid $19 and changes and decided to purchase more space then there was sign said even storage will need to be paid annually otherwise will fall back to 'AD' based free-level. I guess better start use my gmail as primary instead as storage mail, or even yahoo or hotmail. Since I have no plan to pay every year for email I'll just let it died next June and switch to one of G, H, Y email. I guess Fastmail will be longest used ( over 10 years ) email. Just wanted to share my thoughts.

13 Jun 2010, 08:10 AM	#2
NickRem Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 88	Not sure I understand. You don't want to pay a yearly fee for your mail service? Didn't you do that before with FM?

14 Jun 2010, 02:40 AM	#3
Prognathous Master of the @ Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 1,060	He paid one-time fees. Unfortunately, this turned out to be a business model that doesn't work very well in the long run, which is why Opera (and previously Fastmail.fm) has moved away from it. Personally, I don't mind paying annually if I get my money's worth, but I can understand why so many people aren't willing to pay. They just don't see the value over free services. This is probably where Opera has the biggest challenge - showing the market that its mail service offers features worth paying for that aren't available in free services. Prog.

14 Jun 2010, 03:04 AM	#4
William9 The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 2,281	That's the way I see it too. One "feature" that customers seem willing to pay for is mail service for their own domains. Some see having a personal custom domain as an affectation, but many see the value. Certainly for professionals and business, free email services with free domains like Yahoo or Hotmail do not convey the desired online image. At least for businesses a custom domain is expected. Previously, the full-featured email service providers for your own domain required a fee. Now there is Google Apps (free and full-featured for your own domain).

19 Jun 2010, 10:27 AM	#5
Terry The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VK4 Posts: 3,029	just forward a copy of every e-mail to gmail.....its free, use gmail for your storage with fastmail benefits.....

23 Jun 2010, 07:06 AM	#11
David Ultimate Contributor Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Canada. Posts: 10,355	Prog is suggesting that you set up two IMAP accounts (in your email client software) - one for Fastmail the other for Gmail. On completion you can 'select' and 'copy' all message (in a folder) and paste them to a folder in the Gmail account. PS: Prog says you can drag and drop them (which will work too and is likely easier easier than copying and pasting them)

23 Jun 2010, 09:46 PM	#13
Prognathous Master of the @ Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 1,060	The last time I went through this process I used Outlook Express. It worked fine. However, if I had to do it today I would be trying Thunderbird, as it's undoubtedly a much more up to date and modern mail client. Prog.

30 Jun 2010, 11:02 AM	#15
ChinaLamb The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: a virtually impossible but finitely improbable position Posts: 2,320	Email is such an essential service, I don't know why people are unwilling to pay for it. Free services only offer free because they get something from you in return. I wouldn't send my postal letters for free just so that the us post office could open read and store every message I ever sent, just so that they could target me and other people with advertising... Sorry, my life requires a bit more privacy than that.