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12 Sep 2022, 08:30 AM | #1 |
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Self-hosted email no longer works
Interesting read from someone who thinks it is no longer possible to self-host email: https://cfenollosa.com/blog/after-se...y-has-won.html
Though in my experience trying a fair number of small email providers I have never run into serious deliverability issues. I will say that sometimes I have encountered mysterious non-delivery of certain individual emails, but not a complete block of a service. I do think certain TLDs are blocked more than others, which is why I never use anything other than a .org, .net or .com. |
12 Sep 2022, 09:59 AM | #2 |
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the self hosted IP is easy blocked by different providers. for 199903.xyz the IP is currently blocked by Apple Mail and AT&T Mail. but the cloud host provider is kind enough to help me fix up it.
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12 Sep 2022, 08:14 PM | #3 |
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Finding and holding on to an IP that delivers to all three of these and their sub brands is the real challenge: Microsoft, AT&T, Verizon.
Most people don't even need to send email to all three of those so they won't even notice which one is blocking them. But it can be challenging as AT&T and Verizon, for example, will often ignore requests to remove blocks or respond stupidly with things like "You are on a dynamic IP" (even when clearly not). Then of course consider that nested under those two are Yahoo, AOL, etc. I've had to call in favors, use well hidden back channels, etc. Nothing wrong with self hosting and I often encourage others to do it, but safe to say I don't feel threatened by it just from knowing how much work I've had to put into deliverability. There won't likely be a shortage of people who are just tired of doing it. It is absolutely true that the blogger there is a bit dramatic but I do get it, I'm no stranger to pulling out my own hair over how these giant companies try to hold down the little guy. I have trouble faulting him for that. The list of providers silently blackholing email though is really just Microsoft, I don't really encounter that anywhere else. Surely I could say I have a large enough sample size to feel comfortable saying that. Last edited by jarland : 12 Sep 2022 at 08:31 PM. |
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13 Sep 2022, 02:06 AM | #5 |
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I just saw that Rob N of Fastmail commented on the article:
https://lobste.rs/s/icdrmv/after_sel...wenty#c_erae4n |
13 Sep 2022, 03:05 AM | #6 | |
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The next closest comes down to offices running filtering appliances that quarantine emails and their IT team has to get involved. Often those send back a message to the sender. |
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13 Sep 2022, 03:25 AM | #7 |
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Managing some smallish email lists with Constant Contact and the sort I have noticed that it is fairly common for someone to mark legitimate emails they signed up for as Spam if for some reason they decide they no longer want to receive the email or they don't like some particular story in the email. They should be using the unsubscribe function, but they don't. I suspect most people have no idea what these options even mean. I often wonder how quickly a few people marking your legit email as Spam will ruin the reputation of a small email provider and start getting you blocked. By the way, the same people that mark an email as Spam often call up after awhile to complain they are no longer receiving your emails. For my own personal email use I have found that if something is really important and I want to make sure it goes through I use Gmail and it almost always gets right to the Inbox. Many times I have found that Gmail will get through when other emails will not.
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14 Sep 2022, 06:18 AM | #9 |
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It seems to me that, unless you are trying to do bulk mail on the cheap, the advantage of having your own mail server is having full control over incoming mail. The only advantage of doing your own outgoing mail is avoiding the cost of outsourcing it.
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14 Sep 2022, 07:35 PM | #10 |
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I suspect that most who brew up their own email servers think they are creating high privacy and security when in reality all it takes is a fire, flood, or other routine disaster to wipe out everything. My office building was hit by lightning, which created a huge pile of destroyed computers. No ordinary surge protectors do squat for a direct hit.
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I think there are several more common reasons why individuals run their own servers, including:
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