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ChinaLamb · 13 Nov 2008, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mix

Even if I'm happy to see a lot of improvements in FM, please don't turn FM in Gmail!!
...

IM is a cool (and sometime useful, even if timewasting) feature, but I don't want to see it in the mail interface. If someone wants to use it, can install a client (Adium, Pidgin, ...) or try jwchat.org

What is the concern you have with it being in the interface? The thing is, communication forms are heading strongly in the direction of convergence, not divergence.

I am a user of gmail, and I simply ignore their online messaging client. I am sure there will be a way to disable it if you don't want it active.

The problem with not having it in an interface is that those that rely on instant messaging, and travel to use other computers, you cannot simply install your favorite client on every computer you use.

As I said, I am sure there will be a way to enable/disable this feature. I would hope such an option would allay any reasonable persons concerns regarding such a feature.

sergeymk · 28 Nov 2008, 06:00 AM

It would be awesome to be able to get onto jabber via my 'virtual domain' (DNS hosted at fm).

That would be the ultimate flexibility -- being able to keep your jabber address as long as you keep your domain--regardless of any IM provider changes. You would now really 'own' your Jabber address, and will not be tied down to any single IM provider.

Of course, until that is more widely supported, FM would probably be the only available provider.

The bottom line is, I wholeheartedly support your Jabber effort, and hope you will be able to figure out Jabber support for Virtual Domains.

kirill · 28 Nov 2008, 07:06 AM

Just sign up for the family package and you'll be able to create users under your domain and be able to use that address as your jabber id.

sergeymk · 28 Nov 2008, 12:49 PM

I don't think you can do that. I tried.

edit: I have an Enhanced account.

brong · 28 Nov 2008, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sergeymk

I don't think you can do that. I tried.

edit: I have an Enhanced account.

You can only have a jabber account on your primary username currently, and your primary username can only be in your own domain for family and business packages.

kirill · 28 Nov 2008, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sergeymk

I don't think you can do that. I tried.

edit: I have an Enhanced account.

You will need a family package or a business package. Then you can define a user (a real user, not a virtual alias) in a domain of your choice and use that account for email and chat. And if you want a VoIP (SIP-based) address that matches your email address too, you could create an account at the iptel.org service.

nooby · 28 Nov 2008, 11:55 PM

Could a Moderator change the Thread title so it reflect the fact that one need to pay for this feature and it is not for all users of FM cause me as a Guest can't use it AFAIK

brong · 29 Nov 2008, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nooby

Could a Moderator change the Thread title so it reflect the fact that one need to pay for this feature and it is not for all users of FM cause me as a Guest can't use it AFAIK

You can use it, just not with your own domain. Given that you can't use your own domain as a guest anyway, that's hardly a massive restriction...

fahrner · 8 Dec 2008, 02:50 AM

I have family accounts with usernames "user@mydomain.tld". How do I setup SRV records in my domain, so that clients can connect without having to configure chat.messaginengine.com as server?

I queried fastmail.fm and got:

Code:

_jabber._tcp.fastmail.fm. 3600  IN      SRV     5 0 5269 chat.messagingengine.com.
_xmpp-server._tcp.fastmail.fm. 3600 IN  SRV     5 0 5269 chat.messagingengine.com.

So I tried

Code:

_jabber._tcp.mydomain.tld. 3600  IN      SRV     5 0 5269 chat.messagingengine.com.
_xmpp-server._tcp.mydomain.tld. 3600 IN  SRV     5 0 5269 chat.messagingengine.com.

But this does not seem to work. I tried it with iChat, Adium and Psi. Neither of them can connect to my account.

kirill · 9 Dec 2008, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fahrner

I have family accounts with usernames "user@mydomain.tld". How do I setup SRV records in my domain, so that clients can connect without having to configure chat.messaginengine.com as server?

I queried fastmail.fm and got:

Code:

_jabber._tcp.fastmail.fm. 3600  IN      SRV     5 0 5269 chat.messagingengine.com.
_xmpp-server._tcp.fastmail.fm. 3600 IN  SRV     5 0 5269 chat.messagingengine.com.

So I tried

Code:

_jabber._tcp.mydomain.tld. 3600    IN    SRV     5 0 5269 chat.messagingengine.com.
_xmpp-server._tcp.mydomain.tld. 3600 IN  SRV     5 0 5269 chat.messagingengine.com.

But this does not seem to work. I tried it with iChat, Adium and Psi. Neither of them can connect to my account.

You need to put _xmpp-client there. Like this:

Code:

_xmpp-client._tcp.mydomain.tld. IN    SRV     20 0 5222 chat.messagingengine.com.
_jabber._tcp.mydomain.tld.      IN    SRV     20 0 5269 chat.messagingengine.com.
_xmpp-server._tcp.mydomain.tld. IN    SRV     20 0 5269 chat.messagingengine.com.

fahrner · 9 Dec 2008, 02:57 AM

Thank you kirill, that seems to be working. At least with Adium and Psi. iChat seems to be not querying SRV records.

qwertz123456 · 22 Dec 2010, 08:28 AM

Hey, I'm new to this Jabber thingy. I just setup/linked my FM account to jabber via Trillian. But I do have some stupid questions. As most of my contact are on Skype is there any way that I can use the Jabber protocol with Skype so I can have my message history mailed to me? Or is Jabber a separate "service" just like ICQ?

Temmokan · 22 Dec 2010, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwertz123456

Hey, I'm new to this Jabber thingy. I just setup/linked my FM account to jabber via Trillian. But I do have some stupid questions. As most of my contact are on Skype is there any way that I can use the Jabber protocol with Skype so I can have my message history mailed to me? Or is Jabber a separate "service" just like ICQ?

Jabber is a technology using XMPP protocol; there are many Jabber servers (in fact, anyone can set up one's own). I.e., Jabber is not a centralized/proprietary network.

Skype uses proprietary protocol that is not related to Jabber/XMPP.

Jabber server can provide so called transports allowing to connect to other IMs (ICQ, AOL, MSN etc) from a Jabber account (and I use that heavily), but I have not heard of any reliable transport to Skype.

If anyone knows of such a transport, please et us all know.

28 Nov 2008, 06:00 AM	#47
sergeymk Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 23	jabber for virtual domains It would be awesome to be able to get onto jabber via my 'virtual domain' (DNS hosted at fm). That would be the ultimate flexibility -- being able to keep your jabber address as long as you keep your domain--regardless of any IM provider changes. You would now really 'own' your Jabber address, and will not be tied down to any single IM provider. Of course, until that is more widely supported, FM would probably be the only available provider. The bottom line is, I wholeheartedly support your Jabber effort, and hope you will be able to figure out Jabber support for Virtual Domains.

8 Dec 2008, 02:50 AM	#54
fahrner Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Munic, DE Posts: 127	I have family accounts with usernames "user@mydomain.tld". How do I setup SRV records in my domain, so that clients can connect without having to configure chat.messaginengine.com as server? I queried fastmail.fm and got: Code: _jabber._tcp.fastmail.fm. 3600 IN SRV 5 0 5269 chat.messagingengine.com. _xmpp-server._tcp.fastmail.fm. 3600 IN SRV 5 0 5269 chat.messagingengine.com. So I tried Code: _jabber._tcp.mydomain.tld. 3600 IN SRV 5 0 5269 chat.messagingengine.com. _xmpp-server._tcp.mydomain.tld. 3600 IN SRV 5 0 5269 chat.messagingengine.com. But this does not seem to work. I tried it with iChat, Adium and Psi. Neither of them can connect to my account.

28 Nov 2008, 07:06 AM	#48
kirill Cornerstone of the Community Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 879	Just sign up for the family package and you'll be able to create users under your domain and be able to use that address as your jabber id.

28 Nov 2008, 12:49 PM	#49
sergeymk Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 23	I don't think you can do that. I tried. edit: I have an Enhanced account.

28 Nov 2008, 11:55 PM	#52
nooby Essential Contributor Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Europe Posts: 474	Could a Moderator change the Thread title so it reflect the fact that one need to pay for this feature and it is not for all users of FM cause me as a Guest can't use it AFAIK

9 Dec 2008, 02:57 AM	#56
fahrner Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Munic, DE Posts: 127	Thank you kirill, that seems to be working. At least with Adium and Psi. iChat seems to be not querying SRV records.

22 Dec 2010, 08:28 AM	#57
qwertz123456 Essential Contributor Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 377	Hey, I'm new to this Jabber thingy. I just setup/linked my FM account to jabber via Trillian. But I do have some stupid questions. As most of my contact are on Skype is there any way that I can use the Jabber protocol with Skype so I can have my message history mailed to me? Or is Jabber a separate "service" just like ICQ?