Youvegotpost.com is erasing all gmail messages

[suntrader3]

An important heads up for all of you.

freemail provider www.youvegotpost.com has been under a great deal of scrutiny from the online community these last few weeks. It was very unpleasant to watch - essentially, youvegotpost began a promotion campaign, providing some subscribers with a gigabyte of storage space in the hope that YGP would see a serious spike in subscriber rates.

That they did, I would imagine, but they were also totally unprepared to deal with the load their servers would have to take.

Here's where things get unfortunate. As people began to test the service, Greg Lloyd Smith, the operator of the site, began to delete accounts en masse, and openly read emails from people's private boxes. When people wrote to complain, his replies usually involved foul language, and immediate deletion of their account.(see the neowin.com back page forum for more)

The long and short of it was that his site was pwn'd by an unknown group, and people let bygones be bygones.

This is where it gets interesting.

1) Greg Lloyd Smith now has set up *another* freemail site (where his name, naturally, appears nowhere) called www.owmail.com, which (naturally) looks identical to youvegotpost.com. And, he's added some features in the TOC that most people won't notice, most importantly that he will ERASE any email sent to or from a gmail provider, and give no notice that the email was not delivered to either party.

Anyway, lets leave that behind, for the moment.

Title, ownership rights, and intellectual property rights in all content and material that is part of, contained in, or accessed through the OWMail! Service, and provided by either OWMail! or sponsors or any other content provider shall remain the sole property of OWMail! and/or its sponsors

2) As per the above, the site also claims that it owns the rights to any content that passes through it. Yes, ladies and gents, that includes your files. A bold claim, for a free web provider.

Forget this one for a second, as well.

YOU HEREBY WAIVE THE RIGHT TO TRIAL BY JURY IN ANY ACTION ARISING OUT OF OR RELATING TO THESE TERMS OR THIS WEBSITE

3) The above quote from the TOC expressly removes the rights of the user to receive a trial by jury in case of dispute. Didn't know that was possible, but I guess Greg Lloyd Smith is going to give it a try.

4) GLS then promotes the hack job sites with www.officialwire.com, a pseudo PR site. As of this posting, he does still list himself as Editor in Chief under the 'masthead' section, but expect him to hide this once people start asking what in the world he is doing.

I believe that sites like youvegotpost and owmail are appalling, as most users do not read the TOC carefully enough to know that their rights are about to get trampled here. This becomes more problematic when it became obvious the Greg Lloyd Smith (using a number of fake aliases) began to openly read people's mail, and to simply not deliver email to certain urls. (Take a look at the Alexa reviews of youvegotpost, to get a feel of how upset people are).

It gets worse when you realize that Greg Lloyd Smith has been sued under anti-racketeering statutes by amazon and lost, and that he tried to take a dot com public a few years ago, went bankrupt, and then tried to hold his lawyers responsible for the bankrupcy.

I think that it is the responsibility of this community to know exactly who this guy is, the sites he runs, and to make a big time effort to make him abide by basic user responsible principles.

[Killer]

While people are complaining about gmail's privacy policy, owmail's TOS is worst than Gmail.

[davy51]

Originally posted by Killer
While people are complaining about gmail's privacy policy, owmail's TOS is worst than Gmail.

This guy sounds like a big crook,From what ive read about him on the net he shouldnt be able to run anything on the internet.If you type his name into google you get an awful lot of information.
This new email is offering a 1gb of space im afraid the same will happen as with youvegotpost.

[Killer]

Now I know they are link to officalwire. I always wondered why only this so call news website always sides with ygp all the time.

[davy51]

Originally posted by Killer
Now I know they are link to officalwire. I always wondered why only this so call news website always sides with ygp all the time.

If you check him out on the net you will find other sights will back all his sights too.

[Killer]

Originally posted by davy51
If you check him out on the net you will find other sights will back all his sights too.

Only from this thread I get to know that is such a character as "Greg Lloyd Smith". All the while only "Amy Jackson" being displayed.

[Killer]

This owmail.com is registered with a US address!! Unlike that youvegotpost.com is registered with a Malaysian and US address.

[SAS]

This may all be true, but I find it very hard to believe that a person that has never posted on this board before, would join just to give us this information. How do we know where suntrader3 gets all this information? I know for a fact that anyone can post on the official wire site. And, these may be the same people that started all the trouble with the youve got post site to begin with. I did recognize a couple of the names.

Apparently nobody here had even heard of this new site....owmail. There was no discussion about this going on, and this newcomer just jumps in to blast it away. And, why do we care anyway? Did anybody here bring it up and ask for an opinion?

[Killer]

Originally posted by SAS
This may all be true, but I find it very hard to believe that a person that has never posted on this board before, would join just to give us this information. How do we know where suntrader3 gets all this information? I know for a fact that anyone can post on the official wire site. And, these may be the same people that started all the trouble with the youve got post site to begin with. I did recognize a couple of the names.

Apparently nobody here had even heard of this new site....owmail. There was no discussion about this going on, and this newcomer just jumps in to blast it away. And, why do we care anyway? Did anybody here bring it up and ask for an opinion?

The new site do exists and at least the TOS indeed have some worst than Gmail privacy issuse.

[suntrader3]

Originally posted by SAS
This may all be true, but I find it very hard to believe that a person that has never posted on this board before, would join just to give us this information. How do we know where suntrader3 gets all this information? I know for a fact that anyone can post on the official wire site. And, these may be the same people that started all the trouble with the youve got post site to begin with. I did recognize a couple of the names.

Apparently nobody here had even heard of this new site....owmail. There was no discussion about this going on, and this newcomer just jumps in to blast it away. And, why do we care anyway? Did anybody here bring it up and ask for an opinion?

I'm flattered that you'd think I have hard to find secrets that I'm running to the forum to spill. Only problem is that Officialwire were the ones to publish the story that they were launching owmail. The way you find out who wrote the story is to look at the top of the article, to see the author. In this case, Officialwire openly states they wrote it.

Heres the link - http://www-2.officialspin.com/main.p...ecent&rid=1667

As for your comment about whether people asked specifically about this site in previous posts, I'm a bit confused. Are you telling me that when people post new threads on this forum, that they are doing so at the express request of another member?

If so, my apologies for speaking out of turn.

[Killer]

Originally posted by suntrader3

As for your comment about whether people asked specifically about this site in previous posts, I'm a bit confused. Are you telling me that when people post new threads on this forum, that they are doing so at the express request of another member?

If so, my apologies for speaking out of turn.

Please feel free to post anything you find that isn't being post on this forum. This is certainly interesting informations.

[davy51]

Originally posted by SAS
This may all be true, but I find it very hard to believe that a person that has never posted on this board before, would join just to give us this information. How do we know where suntrader3 gets all this information? I know for a fact that anyone can post on the official wire site. And, these may be the same people that started all the trouble with the youve got post site to begin with. I did recognize a couple of the names.

Apparently nobody here had even heard of this new site....owmail. There was no discussion about this going on, and this newcomer just jumps in to blast it away. And, why do we care anyway? Did anybody here bring it up and ask for an opinion?

Many people are joining this forum because word is getting out that it is a good place to be.
the idea of this topic was a warning to be careful of this email because of how the tos was written.
A bad email service should be reported .we have people on this forum that run great email services such as killer. And a bad service makes it hard for them on the net too.so people use a forum trying to report the good and the bad.thats how I found killers service and it is a very good service

[Killer]

Originally posted by davy51
we have people on this forum that run great email services such as killer and a bad service makes it hard for them on the net too.so people use a forum trying to report the good and the bad.thats how I found killers service and it is a very good service

Thanks for telling I have a killer service!

[davy51]

Originally posted by Killer
Thanks for telling I have a killer service!

The truth is the truth killer. anyone that wants to see can go here.



http://killer.ac.gs/

[robert@fm]

Originally posted by suntrader3

3) The above quote from the TOC expressly removes the rights of the user to receive a trial by jury in case of dispute. Didn't know that was possible, but I guess Greg Lloyd Smith is going to give it a try.

Under UK law (is GLS still trying to shelter behind that?), that clause is illegal under our unfair-contract-terms legislation.

BTW suntrader3, a tip:  the next time you post a URL with a comma or fullstop after it, manually include it in a [url] container, like this:  [url]www.emaildiscussions.com[/url].  That way, vBulletin won't automatically add a [url] container which mistakenly includes the punctuation, and thereby breaks the link.

Welcome to the EMD forums; I don't know why SAS was down on you (in my experience she's not usually like that).