Yahoo! AddressGuard

hobbes · 22nd October 2003, 05:38 PM

This is nice, although only available in the US version of Mail Plus.

You choose a "base name" which is different from your Yahoo! ID, and then you create up to 500 disposable addresses by adding a suffix. ie:

basename-yahoo@yahoo.com
basename-ebay@yahoo.com
basename-registrations@yahoo.com

You can delete these, and create new ones at will.

This is an excellent feature, and has tipped the balance to motivate me to upgrade to Mail Plus. Now, if they will only remove ads in premium services....

FMRocks · 23rd October 2003, 03:34 AM

How cool! Might be just what I was looking for. I am an SBC Yahoo ISP customer, so by default all of my yahoo accounts get Mail Plus features. Thanks!

hobbes · 23rd October 2003, 03:40 AM

Yes, its great. I've created and used 10 addresses so far in 2 days!

Check out more info here:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/031021/215458_1.html

bitequator · 23rd October 2003, 08:47 PM

That's great news

Overall, Yahoo does have some very nice features now (I love their blocking of remote graphics fetching). I just need to think of some good basenames for our Y Mail+ accounts...

http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewplus
http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

As mentioned, in addition to AddressGuard there's now also SpamGuard Plus that looks like personally trainable Bayesian filtering (on top of their original SpamGuard centralized Baye DB a la FastMail). More and more seem to use this (like GoDaddy also)...

And I'm not sure if this is new or what, but according to http://mailplus.mail.yahoo.com they now do automatic server-side virus scanning of all inbound attachments (always protected, even if using POP3 access). I'm not certain, but I thought in the past they'd only provided webmail (client-side) manual virus scanning (which is a bad setup)?

mlibbey · 26th October 2003, 11:55 AM

Seems very well designed -- i dont know of another disposable email address service that allows you to send mail as that address -- which is huge for discussion groups etc

schmoe · 27th October 2003, 05:54 AM

I don't think the yahoo subdomains will work as well for yahoo as they have for other email services such as fastmail. Fastmail is not as well known as Yahoo. It simply wouldn't be worth the spammers time to find all fastmail accounts in their address list and mangle the addresses. However, it might be worth it for yahoo addresses. There is a ton of yahoo addresses. They could then mangle the addresses and defeat the subdomain system, translating emails like joe-signup@yahoo.com to joe-viagra3dfd@yahoo.com.

kaptitsky · 27th October 2003, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hobbes
This is nice, although only available in the US version of Mail Plus.

You choose a "base name" which is different from your Yahoo! ID, and then you create up to 500 disposable addresses by adding a suffix. ie:

basename-yahoo@yahoo.com
basename-ebay@yahoo.com
basename-registrations@yahoo.com

You can delete these, and create new ones at will.

This is an excellent feature, and has tipped the balance to motivate me to upgrade to Mail Plus. Now, if they will only remove ads in premium services....

Just as a reminder, all versions of iMail support this. In that case, the "basename" is your login name/address, and the name after the dash is automatically used as a folder name, with incoming mail sorted into that folder.

iMail powers many, many free e-mail providers.

hobbes · 29th October 2003, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by schmoe
I don't think the yahoo subdomains will work as well for yahoo as they have for other email services such as fastmail. Fastmail is not as well known as Yahoo. It simply wouldn't be worth the spammers time to find all fastmail accounts in their address list and mangle the addresses. However, it might be worth it for yahoo addresses. There is a ton of yahoo addresses. They could then mangle the addresses and defeat the subdomain system, translating emails like joe-signup@yahoo.com to joe-viagra3dfd@yahoo.com.

You must remember that AddressGuard is not a subdomain system, so what you describe will never be a problem.

If joe-viagra3dfd@yahoo.com doesn't explicitly exist in your list of AddressGuard addresses, you will never receive emails sent to the mangled address. Spam mail will only be received from addresses you have explicitly created (including your main yahoo address, of course).

bitequator · 29th October 2003, 04:07 PM

I agree with hobbes... Just an observation though, Yahoo's single user namespace must be quite full (obviously). Finding a good basename, in addition to a good username to begin with, getting harder and harder...

They do block email deliveries between regional TLDs (@yahoo.com vs. @yahoo.co.uk for example) but the actual user namespace seems to be unified?

BTW does AddressGuard also work with Yahoo Personal Address (your own domain for Yahoo Mail)?

P.S. I also agree that premium subscriptions should have no website ads...

guillaume · 29th October 2003, 05:26 PM

I dont think address guard is part of yahoo personal address. Using Yahoo Mail Plus , i can say that this new tool is really convenient. So far i have created like four disposable addresses and havent receive ny spams. I do think that more people will be willing to subscribe to newsletters. I mean, i would have never done that before... I did it once, it cost me an mail address.
What i'm waiting right now is the new Email views options that both Yahoo and Hotmail are about to launch

bitequator · 29th October 2003, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by guillaume
What i'm waiting right now is the new Email views options that both Yahoo and Hotmail are about to launch

Sounds interesting, can you elaborate?

hobbes · 29th October 2003, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bitequator
Sounds interesting, can you elaborate?

For Yahoo!, it refers, I think, to the optional "Recipient" column field in the mail folder view. Originally, you could only view the "Sender" column. This feature is currently active on my account.

It's useful for quickly identifying which AddressGuard address (or any other address) the email has been sent to.

I don't know if Hotmail has a similar function.

guillaume · 29th October 2003, 09:28 PM

From Yahoo Website
http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

Message Views - Coming Soon!
Your most important messages come from your close personal contacts - the people you've added to your Yahoo! Mail Address Book. Yahoo! Mail now offers several different views of your inbox, including "Messages From My Contacts," so you'll only see the messages you want to read first.

From Hotmail

You may wanna see the demo on Hotmail Homepage....Once you log in, at the bottom left, you should see a link to view it

they sent information emails too:

Preview the next generation of MSN Hotmail

Hotmail® will have an updated look in late November, along with several new features. For example, soon you will be able to easily report junk e-mail to help Hotmail’s filters get smarter. Plus, the new Today page will let you bypass junk e-mail and only show you messages from people you know.

Preview the demo now!
Please note: If you have a pop-up blocker, you will need to temporarily disable it to view the demo.

bitequator · 30th October 2003, 06:00 AM

I missed that about the virtual views, sounds really nice -- akin to one of Outlook 2003's new features (ie. virtual Unread folder, etc)?

If I'm not mistaken hadn't FM discussed this as well in the past?

deafan · 9th March 2010, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hobbes

You can delete these, and create new ones at will.

the basename cannot be changed as often as I would like... and once a base name is changed all aliases associated with the base on nuked

that's a poor design

I prefer http://TMDA.net freeware

Quote:

TMDA is an open source software application designed to significantly reduce the amount of spam (Internet junk-mail) you receive. TMDA strives to be more effective, yet less time-consuming than traditional spam filters. TMDA can also be used as a general purpose local mail delivery agent to filter, sort, deliver and dispose of incoming mail. The technical countermeasures used by TMDA to thwart spam include:

* whitelists: accept mail from known, trusted senders.

* blacklists: refuse mail from undesired senders.

* challenge/response: allows unknown senders which aren't on the whitelist or blacklist the chance to confirm that their message is legitimate (non-spam).

* tagged addresses: special-purpose e-mail addresses such as time-dependent addresses, or addresses which only accept certain kinds of communication. These increase the transparency of TMDA for unknown senders by allowing them to safely circumvent the challenge/response system. p

why doesn't hotmail have a built in DEA

why doesn't gmail have a built in DEA ..... NO plus addressing is not dea... it does NOTHING to protect the email address per se

22nd October 2003, 05:38 PM	#1
hobbes Essential Contributor Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: UK Posts: 323	Yahoo! AddressGuard This is nice, although only available in the US version of Mail Plus. You choose a "base name" which is different from your Yahoo! ID, and then you create up to 500 disposable addresses by adding a suffix. ie: basename-yahoo@yahoo.com basename-ebay@yahoo.com basename-registrations@yahoo.com You can delete these, and create new ones at will. This is an excellent feature, and has tipped the balance to motivate me to upgrade to Mail Plus. Now, if they will only remove ads in premium services....

26th October 2003, 11:55 AM	#5
mlibbey Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: SF bay area Posts: 171	send mail as that address too :) Seems very well designed -- i dont know of another disposable email address service that allows you to send mail as that address -- which is huge for discussion groups etc

27th October 2003, 05:54 AM	#6
schmoe Essential Contributor Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 369	To easy to change joe-signup@yahoo.com to joe-viagra493zz@yahoo.com I don't think the yahoo subdomains will work as well for yahoo as they have for other email services such as fastmail. Fastmail is not as well known as Yahoo. It simply wouldn't be worth the spammers time to find all fastmail accounts in their address list and mangle the addresses. However, it might be worth it for yahoo addresses. There is a ton of yahoo addresses. They could then mangle the addresses and defeat the subdomain system, translating emails like joe-signup@yahoo.com to joe-viagra3dfd@yahoo.com.

23rd October 2003, 03:34 AM	#2
FMRocks The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: FM = Firefox Mission Posts: 4,025	How cool! Might be just what I was looking for. I am an SBC Yahoo ISP customer, so by default all of my yahoo accounts get Mail Plus features. Thanks!

23rd October 2003, 03:40 AM	#3
hobbes Essential Contributor Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: UK Posts: 323	Yes, its great. I've created and used 10 addresses so far in 2 days! Check out more info here: http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/031021/215458_1.html

23rd October 2003, 08:47 PM	#4
bitequator The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,978	That's great news Overall, Yahoo does have some very nice features now (I love their blocking of remote graphics fetching). I just need to think of some good basenames for our Y Mail+ accounts... http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewplus http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools As mentioned, in addition to AddressGuard there's now also SpamGuard Plus that looks like personally trainable Bayesian filtering (on top of their original SpamGuard centralized Baye DB a la FastMail). More and more seem to use this (like GoDaddy also)... And I'm not sure if this is new or what, but according to http://mailplus.mail.yahoo.com they now do automatic server-side virus scanning of all inbound attachments (always protected, even if using POP3 access). I'm not certain, but I thought in the past they'd only provided webmail (client-side) manual virus scanning (which is a bad setup)?

29th October 2003, 04:07 PM	#9
bitequator The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,978	I agree with hobbes... Just an observation though, Yahoo's single user namespace must be quite full (obviously). Finding a good basename, in addition to a good username to begin with, getting harder and harder... They do block email deliveries between regional TLDs (@yahoo.com vs. @yahoo.co.uk for example) but the actual user namespace seems to be unified? BTW does AddressGuard also work with Yahoo Personal Address (your own domain for Yahoo Mail)? P.S. I also agree that premium subscriptions should have no website ads...

29th October 2003, 05:26 PM	#10
guillaume Essential Contributor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Nantes, FRANCE Posts: 447	I dont think address guard is part of yahoo personal address. Using Yahoo Mail Plus , i can say that this new tool is really convenient. So far i have created like four disposable addresses and havent receive ny spams. I do think that more people will be willing to subscribe to newsletters. I mean, i would have never done that before... I did it once, it cost me an mail address. What i'm waiting right now is the new Email views options that both Yahoo and Hotmail are about to launch

29th October 2003, 09:28 PM	#13
guillaume Essential Contributor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Nantes, FRANCE Posts: 447	From Yahoo Website http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree Message Views - Coming Soon! Your most important messages come from your close personal contacts - the people you've added to your Yahoo! Mail Address Book. Yahoo! Mail now offers several different views of your inbox, including "Messages From My Contacts," so you'll only see the messages you want to read first. From Hotmail You may wanna see the demo on Hotmail Homepage....Once you log in, at the bottom left, you should see a link to view it they sent information emails too: Preview the next generation of MSN Hotmail Hotmail® will have an updated look in late November, along with several new features. For example, soon you will be able to easily report junk e-mail to help Hotmail’s filters get smarter. Plus, the new Today page will let you bypass junk e-mail and only show you messages from people you know. Preview the demo now! Please note: If you have a pop-up blocker, you will need to temporarily disable it to view the demo.

30th October 2003, 06:00 AM	#14
bitequator The "e" in e-mail Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,978	I missed that about the virtual views, sounds really nice -- akin to one of Outlook 2003's new features (ie. virtual Unread folder, etc)? If I'm not mistaken hadn't FM discussed this as well in the past?